00:09
Iwona Laub
Dubai is the only place I know where people do a heavy leg day and then feel guilty about eating a strawberry. We track our steps, our macros, our sleep cycles, but dessert still feels like this dirty little secret. My guest today decided that joy on a plate should not come with shame on a spreadsheet. Maya Moghrabi is the founder of Innocent Sweets, a sugar-free, gluten-free sweets brand that started in Lebanon and now lives in the kitchens of the UAE, Qatar, and Saudi. In this conversation, we talk about what happens when you declare war on sugar in a region that lives for desserts, the very unsexy realities of building a food brand, and how you stay soft as a human while being hardcore as a founder and a mom. You're listening to the Icon Edit and this is my conversation with Maya. Thank you for joining me today.
01:08
Maya Moghrabi
Thank you so much for having me today.
01:09
Iwona Laub
Maya, before we go to the questions, introduce yourself in your own few words just so everybody knows what you are all about.
01:13
Maya Moghrabi
All right, so I'm Maya, founder of Innocent Sweets. Uh, so as you said, like my brand, we do gluten, dairy, and refined sugar-free desserts and snacks. We have already a shop here in Business Bay in Dubai, uh, but today the more the... more the... the business direction is turning into more the retail market. So we deal with distributors and we put Innocent Sweets on the shelves. Uh, other than that, I'm a mother of... of a daughter. She's nine years old. Her name is Talia. So, yeah, I'm a mom and entrepreneur.
01:48
Iwona Laub
That's so cool. Maya, you have found Innocent Sweets out of a personal necessity, right? How did your relationship with food change in that perspective?
01:55
Maya Moghrabi
Um, I used to be and am still a sweet lover. I don't really care about food like the... like pizza, burgers, or whatever. It's fine, okay, but it's not... it's not my weakness. My weakness is still until today are sweets. And when I had this medical condition, I had to create the dessert that I had to eat, that I'm already familiar with. I didn't want to create new desserts. I wanted to eat the same dessert that I'm familiar with but made in a healthy way. And, um, honestly today I cannot eat the old dessert because, you know, my taste buds, they are different now and I'm used to the clean, healthy, and delicious dessert that I'm doing.
02:45
Iwona Laub
Okay. What was the most frustrating part of being told no sugar, no gluten, no dairy?
02:51
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah, it was a shock. Uh, it was like, yeah, because like I was like, okay, what would I eat? Um, it was... but because I love baking since I was a kid and, you know, I'm into this... uh, into this world since... uh, since my young... my teenagers and even when I was... when I was a kid, I used to beg... like I used to beg... I used to tell my brothers, please, I want to do cookies for you, I want to bake for you, just let me go into the kitchen. I needed like a reason to go into the kitchen. So because I love baking and I love sweets, it was easier for me to understand it.
03:33
Iwona Laub
Okay. Uh, was there a particular dessert that felt like a breakup when you had this condition and could not eat as much sugar as you did before?
03:40
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah, the chocolate spread.
03:42
Iwona Laub
Oh, okay.
03:42
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah.
03:42
Iwona Laub
What was the first dessert you tried to recreate in a Maya-friendly way? Do you remember that?
03:45
Maya Moghrabi
Yes, of course, and I still eat it until today and it's one of my best sellers, which is the Banoffee pie.
03:55
Iwona Laub
Oh, okay, that sounds so good. I have to try that. And on a scale from Pinterest to fail, where did that land? Was it like on the first try you did it and it was perfect or did you have to develop it in a...
04:09
Maya Moghrabi
No, definitely... definitely I had so many trials and my friends and my surroundings, they were the one who... who were giving me the feedback. And I used to listen a lot.
04:19
Iwona Laub
Okay. And as I said in the introduction, um, I have the feeling that Dubai is an especially difficult market because on one hand you have like this, um, fitness freaks, trackers, people who track everything and want to stay very healthy and then you have, of course, because we are in the Arab region, I mean people, they love sweets. So, so how did that shape Innocent Sweets?
04:52
Maya Moghrabi
Um, definitely the people even until today, even people when they hear healthy and sugar-free or it's gluten-free or dairy-free, everything free, okay, they get scared. Honestly, until today. But once they try it, they're like, oh, really? Is it really healthy? Because, you know, I put flavors in it. And for me, I don't track calories. I know calories, I know they are very important, but it's the quality of the desserts that I focus on.
05:39
Iwona Laub
And the ingredients.
05:40
Maya Moghrabi
And the ingredients in it. Yeah. And people when they try it, they're like, oh, okay. So they don't find like that much difference between the full sugar, sugary desserts and the healthy ones. This is why like it's... it's... it's popular.
05:58
Iwona Laub
So do you have the feeling that people when they try your desserts first are skeptical and then they try it and they are hooked on it or...?
06:05
Maya Moghrabi
Yes, yes. Because they're like, oh, okay, so we are satisfied, so they are... they have their... they are sat... their cravings are satisfied and, uh, it's... it's good. It's delicious.
06:18
Iwona Laub
And they don't have to have a guilty conscience about eating it.
06:21
Maya Moghrabi
And because you know, because it's real ingredients, so they feel full. So they don't need to eat more and more. Because you know sometimes with the sweets that we have already in the market, the amount of sugar is too high. So you need to eat more and more and you cannot stop. Because my desserts, they are like made from real ingredients, so it's... you don't need to eat a lot to get satisfied.
06:48
Iwona Laub
Sugar is like a drug basically, right? You... as you said, you need more and more of it.
06:54
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah. Yeah.
06:55
Iwona Laub
What's the most Dubai thing that a customer ever said or ordered or wanted? Is there something like a story where you would say, oh my god, this is so Dubai?
07:05
Maya Moghrabi
You know when we created the Dubai chocolate, uh, as the Innocent Sweets version, this was... this was a... oh really? Like sugar-free... no added sugar?
07:23
Iwona Laub
Do you still have it in your assortment? Okay.
07:25
Maya Moghrabi
Of course. Yeah.
07:28
Iwona Laub
Oh my god, the Dubai chocolate craze. Yeah. I remember that.
07:31
Maya Moghrabi
It's made... even the chocolate is... is sugar-free and the filling from the inside is sugar-free. So this was a hit.
07:39
Iwona Laub
Where would you place Innocent Sweets on the scale from serious health product to pure guilty pleasure?
07:47
Maya Moghrabi
Actually it's both. Okay? Because you know people... Innocent Sweets is also for people who has intolerance, you know, who has gluten intolerance, dairy intolerance, who... even people for diabetes... diabetes also who cannot have sugar. So it is a serious brand and, uh, and people who has celiac disease as well. Uh, so it is a serious brand and also it's a very fun brand, but not... not in an innocent way, you know. It's guilt-free. It's a guilt-free brand.
08:19
Iwona Laub
There is this cliché, I think that healthy... as you said before, that healthy desserts never taste as good as the original version. Was... what is a myth about sugar-free or gluten-free sweets that you wish you could delete from the internet?
08:35
Maya Moghrabi
That it's not tasty. It is. If you do it in the right way and you do it and you put the right ingredients and you do it properly, they can be even more delicious than the actual ones.
08:49
Iwona Laub
Could you explain in a way for people who have no knowledge about baking what happens in a dessert when you remove sugar and gluten? What are the biggest challenges in that?
09:00
Maya Moghrabi
Uh, of course, when you remove sugar, the actual sugar, it's the taste. And gluten is just how... the cake, how it's combined together. So, um, we use natural sweeteners. So what we use in our desserts, dates... so it's either dates, coconut sugar or maple syrup. That's it. And, uh, regarding the gluten, we use glu... gluten-free flour, almond flour and oat flour.
09:35
Maya Moghrabi
So this is regarding the flowers. And... and even our cakes, they are vegan and even our desserts, they are vegan, so we don't use eggs. So also it's a challenge also for... for the cake also to... to rise and, you know, to have the fluffiness. So yeah, it is a challenge.
09:51
Iwona Laub
What do you use instead of eggs then?
09:53
Maya Moghrabi
Flax seeds and chia seeds.
09:55
Iwona Laub
Oh, that's interesting.
09:56
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah. So you see, so many benefits.
09:59
Iwona Laub
Yeah. Wha... is there one ingredient that you are obsessed now that you didn't even know existed a few years ago?
10:05
Maya Moghrabi
Now we are launching a new product, which is the freeze-dried fruits.
10:12
Iwona Laub
Oh, okay. Oh yeah, because I know that the freeze-dried, um...
10:16
Maya Moghrabi
It's new. So we didn't have it before.
10:18
Iwona Laub
Sweets, they are really popular with the kids now. I see it all the time like on TikTok, Instagram, yeah.
10:24
Maya Moghrabi
Yes. Exactly. But we did something which now we are launching next month. It's... it's gonna be in the market. Uh, they are dipped in sugar-free chocolate.
10:35
Iwona Laub
Oh, okay.
10:36
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah. Usually what you see in the market today are freeze-dried but they are plain. Mhm. Just plain like strawberries or mangoes, bananas, and all types of... of... of fruits. But I did my own version, Innocent Sweets version, dipped in sugar-free chocolate. So we have dark chocolate, we have milk chocolate, and white chocolate.
10:55
Iwona Laub
Oh, that sounds amazing. I I have to try that definitely. If we would put a hidden microphone in your kitchen while you are testing recipes, what kind of things would you... would we hear you say? Are you someone who's when you're in the kitchen like talking about what you're doing or are you nervous about how it will turn out?
11:15
Maya Moghrabi
No, I'm not... I'm not... I'm not this kind of person. I'm very... uh... flexible and I'm very at ease with myself.
11:23
Iwona Laub
So you're not like a Gordon Ramsay.
11:25
Maya Moghrabi
No, no. Uh, sometimes, this is not in the kitchen, this is when it comes to business more. In the kitchen I'm more flexible because, you know, I know it's not gonna maybe... uh, we're not gonna do it from the first time. It's a trial. So, but when in business, I'm very strict. And my... my team, they know it.
11:43
Iwona Laub
You're very strict. Really? Okay.
11:45
Maya Moghrabi
And even there is a small incident, even yesterday, uh, I was with my daughter in... in the car. It was the first time she... because usually like I'm at work, she doesn't see me a lot like how I react. It was the first time she... she saw me talking to someone on the phone and I was really angry. Like I told her, Mommy, yes, this is... when Mommy is at work, I'm angry and when someone does mistake, this is how Mommy becomes. So it was, yeah, it was very funny.
12:09
Iwona Laub
Okay. But it's good that she sees you like in another role, right?
12:13
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah, my daughter, she's very much involved in everything I do. And even I take her opinion and even for new packaging, I take her opinion. Like Mommy, what do... yeah, and like what do you think about this? Would you prefer this or that? I want... I want to know what she thinks and she she knows a lot about me and even, for example, like today I'm with you today, she knows that I'm here today. I I get her involved.
12:35
Iwona Laub
That's so good. She will learn a lot from you also about how businesses work and that's good. You're a good role model. That's good. Yeah.
12:43
Maya Moghrabi
Of course. I want to be a role model for her, you know. Yeah.
12:46
Iwona Laub
Do you remember the first time a complete stranger paid money for your sweets and, um, not because they were your friend, just a random person? What was that moment like for you?
12:56
Maya Moghrabi
Wow. This is how it all started. It started just by coincidence. I was just posting on Instagram on my personal account. I didn't have even the intention to do any business because, you know, it was a passion and until today it's a passion for me. So suddenly I receive a message from a lady I don't know and she's like, Hi, I want to order. I don't even know the lady. So I was like, okay, you know what? Okay, let me do it. I have nothing to lose. I don't even know the lady. I maybe I might not even see her in my life anymore, you know. So I was like, okay, let me go and deliver the cake myself. This is how it all started. So yeah, I was like, hi, and this is the cake.
13:34
Iwona Laub
And I heard in another podcast where you were that you have delivered it yourself. Did that like... is is this something because I know that at McDonald's there is this rule where the CEO, even like the highest up, they have to one day per year where they have to be in the kitchen flipping burgers, you know, like they have to see how the lowest position in the company what that's like. Did that humble you in some way like delivering your own sweets? Because I guess now you're not doing that anymore.
14:04
Maya Moghrabi
I was so happy. I was so proud of myself. Even people around me, they were like, Maya, no, why? Send it with someone. I was, no, I wanted to see people. I... even until today, I love interacting with people. I love seeing... I'm very sociable. And, uh, it was... it was a very proud moment. I I loved it. And even up to day, if you tell me, Maya, would you go and deliver? Of course, I would do it. Definitely.
14:26
Iwona Laub
It's lovely. Do you get also, um, orders for let's say weddings or events?
14:32
Maya Moghrabi
Uh, yes. In Lebanon, when I used to... to... to have Innocent Sweets in Lebanon, we used to do caterings for very big events, for weddings, for engagements... uh, parties. Here I'm more focused in the retail.
14:48
Iwona Laub
Retail. Yeah.
14:49
Maya Moghrabi
Here. Yeah.
14:50
Iwona Laub
What's a mistake you made in the business that is funny now, but was definitely not funny when it happened?
14:58
Maya Moghrabi
So many mistakes. Of course. I did so many mistakes and every day I learn something new. And, you know, even now in the past two years... because, you know, Dubai is different, okay? Dubai teaches you a lot, a lot. And I've learned it the hard way. I didn't have anyone to teach me the business. I learned everything by myself. And... and I'm so grateful for that, of course. And I always believe like it's part of the process. So many people, they tell me, Maya, get someone to help you or get a sales person or get someone... uh, to to grow that... to to grow the team. But I was like, no, I need to teach myself in order to tell them what to do.
15:43
Iwona Laub
Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, that's a really good perspective.
15:45
Maya Moghrabi
I need to learn. Yeah. So for example, now in the past two years, I learnt a lot and I've had so many mistakes, so many. Uh, so many ups and downs. So many. Uh, but now if you tell me, uh, would you regret anything? Of course no. Of course.
16:03
Iwona Laub
Yeah, because every mistake you make brings you closer to...
16:08
Maya Moghrabi
To what I want to achieve. Definitely. So now, for example, if I need to grow the team, if I need to get someone, for example, now, and to take a specific position, so now I know what what are the job descrip... what is the job description? What are the tasks?
16:22
Iwona Laub
Which skills the person needs, yeah.
16:24
Maya Moghrabi
Yes. So now I know. So I don't want them to fall into the same mistake that I did. So I want to be a leader.
16:30
Iwona Laub
So do you... when you said you you did everything in the beginning on your own obviously, do you still have like... because I guess many people then have with when it's their own business trouble delegating, you know, like telling someone, okay, you know what, I have too much on my plate now, this is your job, do it.
16:47
Maya Moghrabi
I'm totally the opposite.
16:48
Iwona Laub
Okay, so you... that's so good.
16:49
Maya Moghrabi
I'm totally the... I'm totally the opposite. I'm learning how to delegate. I... it's very hard for me to delegate and this is part of my... this is part of my struggle that I'm I'm getting today. Like my team, Maya, you need to get someone. I was like, how? No, why? No. I'm trying to delegate. I'm learning how to delegate. It's not easy. Because it's my baby. I feel like still my baby.
17:10
Iwona Laub
Yeah. And you want to have control, right?
17:12
Maya Moghrabi
But I have to. Yes. Even sometimes just see how much I'm in control when I'm in the kitchen, I'm or I'm in the shop, you know, I can see the kitchen. I swear to God when they are baking, I can see I can see if they are doing something right or wrong. So I... sometimes I tell them just sorry if I have a meeting, I was like, sorry, I have to go inside. I see something wrong. Imagine. Until to that extent I'm I'm very much, uh, in control.
17:40
Iwona Laub
When you go home, can you then switch off the business Maya and be totally content with your child and and with your private life? Or is it something that still bothers you when you lie in bed at night?
17:54
Maya Moghrabi
Honestly, I will be very honest. I cannot disconnect 100%. No. I I I try to. When I travel on vacations, yes. Okay. Yes. Most of my work today is on laptop or on the phone, so which is, okay, a bit easier, but, uh, not 100%. I still work at home or on the phone, but, um, I spend quality time with my daughter. In the afternoons I'm with my daughter because we go to after school activities, we go together. In the weekends we have dates, me and my daughter. So we go dinners together, afternoons. Um, yeah. So I spend quality time with her.
18:38
Iwona Laub
That's so good.
18:39
Maya Moghrabi
That's okay.
18:40
Iwona Laub
Um, you are now in several markets, as I said in the beginning. It's Lebanon, UAE, Qatar and Saudi. Um, is there... because I mean, although it's the Gulf region, except for Lebanon, but is there a difference in the markets? Do you feel that...
19:00
Iwona Laub
Can you tell me what what that would be?
19:01
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah, different market has their own strategy, has their own culture, their own mindset. Um, as I said previously, I started in Lebanon. So being today in Lebanon is something it's very emotional for me. Um, I closed my kitchen in Lebanon, but you know I didn't... I wasn't sad. Uh, because I knew that I was coming back in a different way. So now I'm in on the... I'm on the shelves, I'm in the biggest supermarkets in Lebanon. So I'm happy. At least I'm I'm I'm there somewhere. Uh, this is for Lebanon. For, uh, Saudi, even my childhood was in Saudi. I lived there for 12 years and I know it's the biggest market in the region and I'm focusing today so so much on Saudi. And they have a lot of potential and it's growing and it's growing too much. So also like I feel it's emotional and also it's a it's a business. It's a huge business in in Saudi. Uh, regarding Qatar, uh, Qatar is also it's, uh, I'm very honored to be dealing with the biggest... one of the biggest distribution... company in there. So which is something I'm very proud of. Um, UAE... UAE is my hometown today. So you know, so if I'm not present here, I cannot be present elsewhere. So I have to start from here. So today we are working on so many on so many, uh, channels and so many on so many on so many, uh, retail places, retail places to be there. Uh, it's not that easy. The retail market here in the UAE is not that easy. You have to work a lot. But my distributor is one of the best and the biggest support... supporter that really is supporting me a lot and he believes in the brand. And this is what I care about. I want to work with someone who believes in the brand, who, uh, who believes in the success of the brand and the value of the brand. I don't want to be just a number. I don't want to be just on the shelves. I want people to... I want to position my brands in the right in the right market and, uh, to have repetitive orders definitely.
21:26
Iwona Laub
Yeah. And that people know you, right? I mean, the brand awareness is also something that people always struggle with when they build a new brand. So people at least know, oh, Innocent Sweets, yeah, I know what this is, you know?
21:39
Iwona Laub
So, but there is not one... there are not like desserts that you create for certain markets. So everything that you sell, you sell everywhere?
21:49
Maya Moghrabi
Yeah, but, uh, we had, uh, we had an incident that when I went to Saudi, he requested few SKUs for him, but he didn't mind to... he didn't mind that I can sell sell them elsewhere.
22:04
Iwona Laub
Okay. So like an exclusive.
22:05
Maya Moghrabi
There is maybe just one product which will be exclusive for Saudi market.
22:10
Iwona Laub
Okay. That's interesting.
22:12
Maya Moghrabi
Will be launched soon.
22:13
Iwona Laub
When we talk about healthy snacks, there is so much going on in this industry, I have the feeling. Is there a trend like a healthy trend that you secretly think is overrated?
22:25
Maya Moghrabi
Oh, um, yeah. You know when they put the whole... it it is healthy, but it's high in in calories. It's not like a... it is a very healthy snack but it's high in calories. This there is one trend that they put all the the date, okay, they put so many dates, they flap it and they put all the jar of the peanut butter on it and they... yeah and they put it in the freezer and then they cut it like squares.
22:54
Iwona Laub
Oh, okay.
22:55
Maya Moghrabi
I don't know if you saw this.
22:56
Iwona Laub
No, but it sounds like diabetes to me.
22:58
Maya Moghrabi
And put chocolate, melted chocolate. And they put melted chocolate on top. So imagine like you have dates down, sugar, which natural sugar, I understand, but I mean the quantity. And then they put the the peanut butter and even melted chocolate on top. Um, so this is it's it's good for, you know, a small piece. But people when they when on TikTok and Instagram like they have half of it and they start eating it. So I think this one it is healthy, but in a small amount. This one. Usually because we eat you know one or two dates, that's it, you know, as a snack. And that's it.
23:40
Iwona Laub
You said before that you have recreated the Dubai chocolate. Is there any other famous dessert in Dubai that you would like to make an Innocent Sweets version of it? Or what is or what is coming next that you are working on if you could tell us?
23:59
Maya Moghrabi
There are so many, but now I'm focusing more on the retail. You know? It's not... I'm focusing more on the retail. The Dubai chocolate went viral, definitely. Uh, they did a lot uh a lot with the Dubai chocolate. They did tiramisu with the Dubai chocolate, they did ice creams, they did uh cakes, brownies, they did so many. You know? Um, I think people I think now it's kha- it's too much saturated. Now we need to focus more on I I want to have my own identity. I think Dubai chocolate is enough for for now.
24:39
Iwona Laub
How is the food industry shaped when you think about gender? Because is it do you think that there are more men in this industry and it's hard for you as a woman to be in this kind of industry? Or would you say that there are many women and if so did you have any trouble when it comes to that? Because I think being taken seriously in male dominated areas as a woman is not always as easy, right?
25:05
Maya Moghrabi
Correct. Uh, yeah. Uh, I I get your point. Most of the people that I deal with are men. Most of them. But you know, I proved myself. I proved myself that I'm not only a woman maybe, okay, I care a lot about my physical appearance, I care about everything I'm doing. Definitely. But I proved myself that I did a brand from A to Z and no one helped me. So when people they see my my my journey and when from how I started un- and where I became... when where I am today, they have no choice but to take me seriously. They have no choice.
25:47
Iwona Laub
And when you like in retrospect, I'm sure there are things you wish you would have known earlier like when it comes to business. Is there any advice you would give someone or especially women who would like to turn their passion into a brand, a business?
26:06
Maya Moghrabi
Uh, of course. That she needs to believe in herself. Don't listen to anyone around you. If she believes in it, she needs to work very hard. She needs to work very hard. I'm not gonna say, oh yeah, no, believe in yourself and do it. It will not it will not come like that. You need to work a lot. You need to work so much on yourself and put in she needs to put in her mind that getting tired and uh and to fail sometimes, it is part of the process. She doesn't need to nag and to like, oh my god, it's not working. No, it's fine. Sometimes me, I have so many downs. And ev- I I tell so many of my friends and people around me that when you see me on social media, you see only like 10 seconds of my day. And don't get fooled by my smile. There is so much going on behind the scenes. So much. And there are so many tears behind it. So many. I I reached to a point like I want to quit. I don't want I want to be an employee. I reached I sometimes I reach to that point because you know there's so much responsibilities. She needs to know that this is not an easy journey, but it is very rewarding when uh you see success and when you work uh a lot and you see the success, it's very rewarding. She needs she needs to believe in it.
27:26
Iwona Laub
How many employees do you have at the moment, do you know?
27:29
Maya Moghrabi
Okay, so, uh, we work... in my team here in Dubai in my kitchen we are six, and then I have a finance team which I deal uh separately, I deal with separately. I have a marketing team also we deal separately. Uh, we out- it's outsourced. And also we I have my designer and he is like uh he is the best. My designer is the best.
27:54
Iwona Laub
Is he doing the packaging or... Okay.
27:56
Maya Moghrabi
Yes. And he's the one behind the branding of Innocent Sweets. And not only the branding, but you know uh I learn a lot from him. He has so much experience in the market. So he is like uh he's like my consultant in everything.
28:10
Iwona Laub
Are you also doing like focus groups where you design two or three different designs for the packaging and you let people choose which one they like better just to see which would work better on the shelf?
28:22
Maya Moghrabi
Do you know that?
28:23
Iwona Laub
No, no. Before printing, no. Of course we we we have different uh samples, uh, but it's just the people around me because, you know, the hardest part which the people they don't know in the business is the packaging. This is the hardest part.
28:38
Iwona Laub
Yeah, I can imagine.
28:39
Maya Moghrabi
Yes. And when we want to print, there is a minimum quantity and you cannot print like uh a hundred or a thousand. There are thousands.
28:47
Maya Moghrabi
So and in order to change, even imagine something, you have to print thousands. So, um, we cannot print every day.
28:56
Maya Moghrabi
So before taking a decision, definitely uh we we coordinate between each other. I ask my friends, I ask my family, we take opinion, we take so many uh uh opinions ya- regarding the packaging, of course.
29:10
Iwona Laub
Yeah, okay that's good.
29:11
Maya Moghrabi
Not only like it's not it's not only me and my designer. We have to take into consideration people around us.
29:16
Iwona Laub
We were talking about responsibility because it's a one thing when you have a business and you are a one woman show, right? But once you reach the stage where you have employees that are dependent on your success and also their families... This is something is it because you said you had days where you were crying and you wanted to give up... Is this the thing that motivates you also when you say, okay, there are so many people that depend on me? Or what do you do on those days?
29:46
Maya Moghrabi
What do I do on those days? I cry. Crying is sometimes really freeing and good. No shame for crying. Uh, yes. Um, definitely. They are my biggest motivation. Definitely. Because, you know, I need to succeed. It's not like it's not an op- I have to. You know? And and I'm very blessed and I'm very grateful for my team because really they they were with me since I started and yes and we didn't... I loved them so much and I'm so grateful for them because, you know, I put in my ba- in my mind like without them I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have been here. So now in for my shop, I have someone who's handling the shop and everything because I can't today. I'm handling more the retail part. But the production and the every day uh production and the the shop, you know, there is someone already hand- handling this, which I trust a lot, and, um, because I need to be focused more on the business on in the retail for the retail.
30:46
Iwona Laub
But even when you say you focus on the retail, are there any plans to open um other shops in other regions or do you really only want to do the... yeah.
30:57
Maya Moghrabi
No. Uh, no. I wouldn't uh open another shop unless it's gonna be a franchise.
31:02
Maya Moghrabi
But me personally, no.
31:05
Maya Moghrabi
No, I wouldn't. I want to be more in the business more as as a business in the business direction. More retail, distributors, brands.
31:12
Iwona Laub
Do you want to go into other markets, let's say like Europe or something like that?
31:17
Maya Moghrabi
Of course. We're working on it. And we're working also for other markets. We're working now for US and Canada.
31:22
Iwona Laub
Oh nice. Okay.
31:23
Maya Moghrabi
That sounds so good. I'm very open. Yes. But for Europe, of course, definitely. We are working on something.
31:31
Iwona Laub
I think because you said it's so hard to get on the shelves in UAE, I think it's the same in Europe because I know from experience from people that have launched food brands in Europe or beverage brands, stuff... it's very hard to get on the shelves.
31:48
Maya Moghrabi
Check here. Let them come here.
31:50
Iwona Laub
But you know, you just have to ask the right person and then somehow it works.
31:54
Maya Moghrabi
Yes, if you have the right connection and if you have the right people a- around you...
31:57
Iwona Laub
And have a good product, yeah.
31:59
Maya Moghrabi
Trust me, you will get... you will get there. Yeah. You just need to know where to go.
32:03
Iwona Laub
Any other advice that you could give women... especially you said you are a mom and I myself am also a mom and I know that sometimes it's so hard to get things done when you have kids around. Um, is there anything because I know people always say you can do both, being a mom and being a business woman, but there is always the feeling in your head that there is not enough of you because you only have 24 hours per day. So either you go to bed and say, ah, I didn't get the business things done or you go to bed and you think, oh my god, I was not there for my kid today as much as I wanted to. Do you struggle with this or...?
32:41
Maya Moghrabi
Uh, actually I wake up at 5 every day.
32:45
Maya Moghrabi
In order to finish what I have to do during during the day. And to be there for my daughter in the morning, to do my workout and to start my to start my work. I start like at 8. I start until 3, 4 afternoon, I'm with my daughter. And then I sleep at 10.
33:04
Iwona Laub
Wow. Okay. So you have a very strict schedule.
33:07
Maya Moghrabi
Yes. And I have a routine. Yeah. And I and I'm in a very bad mood if someone break my routine. Uh, so yeah, this is I'm very much organized and, um, I'm trying as much as I can to give my business my full of 100% of myself. And even when I'm with my daughter, I have to be fully present. I'm trying as much as I can to be fully present with her. So you were asking me if I feel guilty sometimes? Yeah. Sometimes. I'm not gonna say I'm a human at the end of the day, definitely. Sometimes I feel like, uh, maybe if I missed something with my daughter or I missed s- something at work, sometimes definitely I feel guilty, but I'm trying as much as I can to have this balance. And I have the support today. You know, you need to have support, you need to have help. I have my family, I'm very blessed and grateful that my family here, my dad, my brother and my mom, she comes and go here, so they help me. Even for example, if I can't be with with my daughter, I have an event or I have to be somewhere for work, so I have someone who can stay with my daughter. So I have support. You need to have support.
34:11
Maya Moghrabi
And you need to ask some- sometimes you need to ask for help.
34:13
Iwona Laub
Yes. That's the thing.
34:14
Maya Moghrabi
Sometimes I'm te- sometimes I'll tell them, okay, I'm I am a super woman but I don't have super powers. Like, you know, sometimes sometimes you need to ask for help.
34:23
Iwona Laub
Yes. That's so good asking, because I think this is really something that moms struggle with, to ask for help. Yeah. And that's so important.
34:29
Maya Moghrabi
And you know it's nice also to speak with your child. Like I tell Talia, for example, Mommy, I have to be here. Is it okay if I don't if I'm not with you, for example, at that time? I ask her. If she's okay with that, then okay. I go. If like she said no, no, I will take her as a priority, definitely. Of course.
34:49
Iwona Laub
Yeah, that's so good. Yeah, you have to speak with your child. They need to know.
34:53
Iwona Laub
Yeah, and they I think they understand more than we think, you know, when we talk to them about this stuff.
34:57
Maya Moghrabi
Yes. Of course. She knows she knows like Mommy she get tired. She knows. And because you know and the most rewarding part is like today when I ask my daughter, what do you want to be when you grow up? She tell me like she gives me like this, like you.
35:10
Iwona Laub
And I also think you have to say goodbye to the thought of being perfect all the time. Because you can't do everything 100% perfectly, right? No way. Either as a mom or as a business woman, there you are just like you said, at the end of the day, you're a human being, right?
35:28
Maya Moghrabi
Yes, I'm a human. At the end of the day, I fail, I do mistakes. I'm not perfect. I'm not perfect. And you know, you have to always put no I'm not perfect. Even my team, I tell them, we are not perfect. We all do mistakes. But don't get afraid to admit that you did a mistake.
35:46
Iwona Laub
Yeah, because you can learn from those mistakes, yes.
35:48
Maya Moghrabi
Don't hide it. Yes. For example, sometimes they are afraid just to tell me if they did a mistake or something. Don't get afraid. Tell me, come and tell me. We will solve it together. I do mistakes. We all do mistakes.
36:00
Iwona Laub
Fortunately. And I think this is also something that for me is missing in the European culture. There is like something in the US culture, this is like a fail culture, you know, like where you fail and you fail and then somehow someday it will work out and that's fine. In Europe it's more like you do something, you fail, then you're not good enough, you know. And this is something that I see in Dubai is also more like in the US where people they do one business, okay, it didn't work out, then they tried another way and it will work somehow. And I love that.
36:31
Maya Moghrabi
Of course. And I put in my yeah and I put in my mind that if this failure didn't happen, I wouldn't have made the other decision. And everything turns for the better. Yeah. You have to put in your mind like everything happened for a reason, definitely. And if you have a good intention and if you work hard and it will be for your own benefit. Yeah. Today I never regret anything and I turn everything negative into something positive in my life. Even if something bad happens to me, I'm not sad and I will never be sad. I took a decision because I know something better is coming and it's for a good reason. If you if you have this mindset, trust me, you will uh uh it will give you a motivation to keep going.
37:25
Maya Moghrabi
Trust me. You have to you always need to have a positive mindset. I I put this in my mind.
37:32
Iwona Laub
Maya, thank you for making dessert feel a little less dramatic and a little bit more fun. Um, if you want to try Innocent Sweets, I will uh put all the links in the show notes. Go stalk the menu, message Maya, tell her you came from the podcast. Just check out the shop if you live in Dubai. And if you enjoyed this episode, send it to that one friend who is always on a diet but never wants to skip dessert. This was the Icon Edit and I'll see you in the next episode. Thank you Maya for coming.
37:59
Maya Moghrabi
Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. It was lovely. Thank you.
38:03
Iwona Laub
That was so much fun. I loved it. And I definitely will will visit the shop.